Lets see, i have covered my theology, my psychology, dealing with on going with fantasy. I haven't talked about my SIN yet..... i have alluded to two kinds..........
my dissatisfaction with my being a parent, although i am not a bad one.
my enjoyment of some kind of herbal tonic that most stupid and authoritarian assholes want to keep away form me.
Yeah, several sins in just that one sentence. Ego, Pride, Lieing, Anger, Grudges, pleading, shame, fear .......but NOT and goodly so NOT Remorse for loven that pot.
I may smoke a cigarette, and they are even trying to take that from me. I may Drink a few too many beers and get a compassionate pat on the shoulder for simply not knowing any better and treated like a recovering victim. But i may most certainly NOT be a pot-o-holic
This humble and brilliant mind can only gruesomely ponder why is that?
Clearly my thinking skills and intelligence are not effect but rather from time to time elegantly enhanced. And not dumbed down and lethargic nor un-adaptable and unable to preform the taskes of loving and cherishing my family, and taking intimate means speak to them as the people they are rather than the people i want them to become. Pot helps me reach that mental state a more unconditional motherly place and it is help full with dealing with my child who is the exact and enfureating opposite of myself.
But no..they rather i take a chemical and "brand new" kind of pill. And they brainwash me with how bad pot it and how bad i am. How weak and how selfish. And They shove my kids in my face like the fucking poster children for abused kids-are-us.
Why are they so hostile?
I am not hostile. I simple want to disappear into my monk-ish sweet reality and be left alone. SO you cant pull the pot leads to crime bit.
NAY it does i will recant......because your stringent attitudes and vicious punishments and savage destructions of my family-life has left scares that POT would have never left. To Mention, the kinds of memories beer leaves behind. When high I see the beauty of making sweet memories for my family. Shall i tell you of my pot-negatives? why bother....they still are nothing as horrid and evil vile and nasty as the pictures YOU paint and worship.
I may play Warcraft, i may watch a soap-opera, i may not even smoke a cigarette in my car for fear of the precious children's lungs in their oh so pristine world of sanitation and pussy stuffed in my face every five commercials. And i most certainly may NOT, use THAT form of petty escapism and read a fucking book..........or write one for that matter.
If i only played warcraft, they would not take my family, they even have family oriented computer games and we train our babies to push buttons and live in a distraction laden/ clinical world, but i may not smoke a substance that allows me to slow down and enjoy the world and to interact with people personally.
I guess THEY don't see pot as i see it. I cant Imagine the enemy they have made it.
In fact they have a term for my logic. It's like "addiction logic" the person cant see the error of their waywardness. Like i cant be convinced.
Could it be that i am convinced by MY experience? And if i was having a bad one then i might ask for your opinion. Oh i see..........
That's why you are enforcing insane laws and punishments against me. Oh i get it...yeah....
Conform or be Contorted.
I live in a Gestapo-like environment when it comes to that leaf. A LEAF! is the cause of many misfortunes in many people's lives. A FUCKING LEAF!
yet, i may pickle my liver without impunity.
but i may not enhance my mind and enjoyment of life.
Isn't it ironic?
*scoffs*
(P.S. my "James" persona likes interacting and thinks my mind is clearer but the effect is only temporary and should be used once in a while in prayer. He does not like my addiction. He wants me to stop my smoking after the really super prayers/insights stop. Other wise i get burnt out and run down, exhausted and no good. It is the stopping i have trouble with and i work on it constantly and recently have been able to smoke a little and then wait for a long while before starting the whole combing thing to get more.)
*yeah combing its the behaviour either conscious but mostly unconscious that some mentalities use to create their right environments*
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Hey insanezendo- I'm with you. Pot can be a useful tool. But like any useful tool, it can be abused. As long as you remain thoughtful, and cherish your family, you can tell the authoritarian assholes to go to hell.
ReplyDeleteAs a parent myself, I know how hard it is. All the best to you and your family, cheer from springy Vienna, zilch
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
ReplyDeleteSorcery comes from the Greek word of Pharmachia (φάρμακον) which means drugs it is also where we get todays word pharmacy . So Rev 21:8 says drug addicts will burn in hell forever.
Some say "hay it's natural, God made it"
My response is, there is nothing "natural" about drying and smoking something. That is man made all the way. God gave us many examples of things we are not allowed to touch like the tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden. God made pigs also but called them unclean and the Jews were not to eat Pork either or shellfish for that manner. Just because it is on the earth doesn't mean we can partake in it. There are frogs out there that if we eat them we die within minutes, but they are here on earth though, so the logic doesn't stand.
Do you want some dude going up to your child and giving them stuff to get high? If not, then why do you think God wants you to get high? When you have children you have a responsibility to that child to show/be a good example for them. Being a stoner in front of your child is sending the message to defy God and it's OK.
Do you really want your child to see God's Judgment? Shame on you if you do.
HI Zilch i thought i lost you for a reader when i posted my "another mildly visious rant". For ye other readers i have sence taken it down because i am a candidate for mediocraty. Yes zilch a tool can be abused and my addiction is not the pot's fault but one of abuse on my part, which i continuously work on and do fine with. (did you know that there are alternitive AA groups that dont preach abstinence but instead preach mindfull control?) moveing on....
ReplyDeleteDan....
How ya doing, are you even going to check back on what you wrote? Kinda hope so, although i am apahetic not a lover.
OK "do i want to see my kids face the judgment of god?"
Biblically speaking we ALL face his judgment. Either now with the holy spirit for a guide and a teacher or Later at the finial judgment. And if you can refute that,fine, still first comes the judgment seat of christ then comes the judgment of the damnned. Each recieve according to their deeds.
As to "there is nothign natural about cutting and drying leaves to smoke" You best stop drinking tea. And there isnt much natural about slaughtering a cow either. Natural would be to hunker down as a family and get bloody.
AHH The old Pharmakiea argument. Could be applied to far more than just a little herb that makes you feel good. It can apply to aspirin, which is derived form the bark of the willow tree. It also applies to tea, which for many years was hailed as a medicine. Different teas are cultivated for different purposes. There is also many different kinds of rice, some rice grown to help old people digest, some kinds of rice is sweet, there is a pharmekitic science to rice breeding. Does this also count as Pharmachia?
Do you want someone giveing your kid some rice? When you disparage "drugs" which ones do you mean? The ones that help you work all day like caffine and cocane, or the ones that take away pain like aspirin and moriphine? Or is it just the ones that make you feel good like chocolate and pot?
It is the law that determines for you which are Pharmachia or is it the pleasure factor? i have honestly always been curious how theses things are determined.
And if i take no drugs but induce my body to manifacture endorphines for a "natural high" is that the same bad thing?
Shall i go to hell because i got off on bungee jumping? Or does it only apply if i got off smokeing pot while bungee jumping?
And well frankly if some dude went up to my kids to give them a drug i hope my kids would not hold out on their poor old mother.
One. Guided permissivness in the home grants a safe environment, they might go to hell for getting high but they wont be getting pregnent and abused distroying their lives in the process. Yet i already know you have a patten rebuttal to this thinking so dont bother been there heard that. Unfortunately Life experience is the jury that is still out on the issue.
Two. I am not sending a message to defy god, GOD never said anything about "drugs" or aspirin. We found aspirin by dabbeling in your so called defance. Instead what we do today is no Pharmachia, it is worse, we mix sinthetic and natural chemicals to see what they will do, and cause birth defects, heart failure, but praise god at least we are no longer erectile dysfunctional.
So your argument is not water tight either. Now back to obeying god.....I care about the values that most human's gods care about. Honesty,ethics, justice, compassion, understanding, and overcoming base human confinments such as anger greed and delusion.
For only the undeluded and fearcly vigillent in mind and spirit will ever see god. And frankly, if for a few moments one can be high and set aside those human evils to reach out to god, i do not belive god would turn that human away but instead would reach right back toward him.
First Biblically speaking we ALL face his judgment
ReplyDeleteI meant the final Judgment or the second death to be clear. The saved will miss His Judgment because we are made clean with the blood of Jesus.
"Could be applied to far more than just a little herb that makes you feel good. ...It also applies to tea," I agree
"When you disparage "drugs" which ones do you mean?" all of them, if it is man made it is not of God.
"Shall i go to hell because i got off on bungee jumping?" No you go to hell for unrepentantly breaking His Law without honor to our Savior.
"if some dude went up to my kids to give them a drug i hope my kids would not hold out on their poor old mother" sigh.., I pity your soul. Please Repent the jury isn't still out His Judgment when you die just hasn't happened yet.
"GOD never said anything about "drugs"" He sure did:
Sorcery (Pharmachia-The use of magic or enchantment; the practice of magic arts; witchcraft.)
De 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
2Ki 17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
2Ki 21:6 And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
Isa 47:9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
Ac 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
Ac 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
Re 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Re 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
"Instead what we do today is no Pharmachia, it is worse, we mix synthetic and natural chemicals to see what they will do, and cause birth defects, heart failure, but praise god at least we are no longer erectile dysfunctional. sarcasm aside, you're preaching to the quire sista You are making my point now
My argument is still airtight
"For only the undeluded and fearcly vigillent in mind and spirit will ever see god."
Absolutely not true, that would be by works that you are saved. Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Works count after salvation to show gratefulness, but will not get you to heaven.
"And frankly, if for a few moments one can be high and set aside those human evils (with more human evils) to reach out to god, i do not belive god would turn that human away but instead would reach right back toward him."
It doesn't matter what you believe, If you run out in the middle of the highway and say I don't believe in trucks it doesn't mean you will not get run over. If you jump out of a window screaming "I don't believe in gravity" doesn't mean you will not get hurt. What matters is the truth and Revelation 21:8 is very clear.
Please think about what I have said and raise you children properly,
With love,
Dan
No, justin, you won't lose me as a reader just because you rant occasionally. A good rant can be cathartic, as long as it's not directed at someone who could be hurt by it.
ReplyDeleteAnd now you have the sage advice of two readers: use pot, and value the different perspective as a tool; or use pot, and go to hell. The one thing I will agree with dan about is the necessity for responsibility, especially to your family. Kids should not do drugs, or have their parents' care for them compromised by drug use. But that said: a responsible, informed adult should be allowed to ingest what they want.
Dan- funny meeting you here! My invitation still stands: if we ever meet, the non-drug refreshments are on me. I'll be in SF this summer, if either of you are in town.
cheers from overcast Vienna, zilch
well yes, on being responcible to the familly. My pot rant was concerning what i think is blinding control.
ReplyDeleteDan i am not so loose that i DONT care about my children's life influences. Let the bible say as it will i dont belive it was written by god alone. Men had their say too. And men like to control others.
Those verses, most refer to passing the children thru the fire, and the use of sorcery (which you take to mean herbal medicine?) and enchantments.
Imediately the image in my mind concerning those things is more akin to what a King James translator would think when he wrote it. A sorcer is one who uses magic and lore and manipulates their surroundings (by concorting with the devil i guess) and to follow a pagan-ity that will grant you favors of power if you sacrifice your kids(as if that is real to begin with), and an enchantment is the use of fetishes and fasinations and magic words to effect those favors.
None of that has anything to do with studying nature for our health. What i dont understand Dan is if "it is not god made it's no good" There are some medicines out thee that are natural but you cant just eat them off the tree they must be prosessed by man.
i get little effect form eating a saint johns wort leaf, but if i use the correct parts and if i make a tinture from it THEN i have the effect of anti depressent. Conversly we would not have arsnic if someone didnt power an apple seed. Even our natural medicines that are god made must be human manufactured.
dan marvin your name is famillier to me also, do you post at Ex christian? i dont recall you at Debunking Christianity.
I have no intention of draging out fundimental disagreements about biblical intrpretation, or validity. Those things are not going to be solved.
Justin- you said, men like to control others. That, in my humble opinion, is one of the main problems of this world. Stay true to your inner self, and don't let the bastards get you down.
ReplyDeleteDan- I just downloaded the Wycliff Bible to my Palm, and it's great- beautiful language. For instance, your first quote, Revelation 21:8, goes like this:
But to ferdful men, and vnbileuevel, and cursid, and manquelleris, and fournycatouris, and to witchis, and worschiperis of idols, and to alle lieris, the part of hem shal be in the pool brennynge with fier and brymstoon, that is the secounde deth.
Beautiful, and perhaps well meant, and maybe even good advice for keeping a particular kind of society going, but not the word of God. That's the problem with your
"airtight argument"- not only do Christians disagree about how to interpret the Bible, but there's no evidence that it is anything other than a manmade story. One of the better ones, to be sure, but still just a story.
But that's alright with me- whatever keeps you behaving nicely is fine. We all have stories to help us navigate our lives, and those of atheists are just as fictional as religion. The important things are peace and love.
Justin- remember that according to the Bible we are in a fallen creation and things are not "good". If it has God's finger print on it i.e. Bible, miracles, conversion of the wicked then it is good and of God. Crushing apple seeds (I just learned something today) to make arsenic is something man did not God. Manipulation of the Creators creation is many reasons why we all have missed the mark. Yes we have the technology to split atoms and and make a cloned fetuses for energy (Matrix reference) but it doesn't mean it's right or God's plan.
ReplyDeleteIn full disclosure, back in the day there was no one better at growing a good sticky sativa strand as well as I, but I gave it all up for two reasons. For one God told me to and second because I knew deep in my soul that it wasn't right. I might add that it took many years to figure out how to be a true Christian and was a false convert for many years. For the longest time I grappled with how I would live without it, how daily I wasn't glorifying God. Until that very important day when I trusted Jesus with every part of my life and completely surrendered entirely to Him. That day I gave up ALL my vices and was reborn from the inside out. I actually experienced the "hot iron" of God. Now we are going on our 4th child and I homeschool our children and the bond is indescribable and wonderful. There would be a barrier or wall if I were high the whole time, kids can tell something is different and that you are on something, you do understand right. They know exactly when you sneak away and come back acting and smelling funny, children are better then police officers when reading their parents behavior. To keep them from detecting that you just smoked you avoid them and they sense the distancing. I should know I found my Dad's stash at 11 and was devastated and was driven with curiosity.
Children, literally, look up to you for guidence and instruction their entire lives. A sense of distrust and doubt will come if they see you stoned even one time and they will look elsewhere for support. Most likely in the wrong places.
"do you post at Ex christian? i dont recall you at Debunking Christianity."
Yes I have been to many places including Debunking Christianity and they just love me at ex-Christian I was the one that told them there was no such thing as ex-Christian here. I have been talking to many people on various subjects. I just love a good debate, I enjoy people and I am a self proclaimed people watcher. I really enjoy peoples minds and how we all think and view things. Speaking of which,
Zilch- you were one of the reasons I commented here. I recognized a friendly face, and I appreciate the offer. Keep your family safe and I will see you someday in SF.
In case you haven't heard of the hot iron analogy:
A mother tells a child not to touch that hot Iron and the kid listens and believes his Mom. As soon as the Mom leaves the room the child touches the Hot Iron and gets burned. He just went from a belief the Iron 'was' hot to an experience that the Iron 'is' hot with 100% assurance. No one can come and tell him otherwise because his experience tells him different. He is 100% certain the Iron is hot and he has the burn to prove it.
Take care you two,
Dan
I was corrected today by someone. The word φάρμακον translates to pharmakeia not Pharmachia just for the record. but roughly means witchcraft and any word with Pharm has drug as meaning
ReplyDeleteDan- I don't have a Greek New Testament on my pda (yet), but I do know a bit of Greek. If you want to be perfectly correct, φάρμακον is transliterated "pharmakon", and is the substance: medicine, or drug, or poison. "Pharmacy" is of course related to this- in Modern Greek, it's φαρμακεία. This is one of the first words I was able to read when I went to Samothraki about twenty years ago. The word in Revelation 21:8 is φαρμακοις, "pharmakos", meaning the practitioner of medicine, or drugs. Sorry for the nitpicking- it's a bad habit, I know.
ReplyDeleteTwo things about this Revelation passage. One- justin has already said it: there's a problem in drawing a line between (illicit) drugs and (licit) medicine or indeed food. Probably just about anything we ingest, with the possible exception of air and water, is psychoactive to some extent, and there's no hard line between weak and strong substances. Do you have nutmeg in your kitchen? It's a drug (but not a very strong one). What about pepper? Ginger? There's evidence that these, too, have druglike effects.
I just hope you're not like that couple in Wisconsin whose eleven year old daughter died of Type 1 diabetes (easily treatable) because they treated her with prayer and not medicine.
The other thing about the passage: I'm no Biblical scholar, but it strikes me that condemning sorcery is of a piece with condemning other gods: it's demonizing the competition. This is of course a means of self-aggrandizement: "we are the sole possessors of the Truth, and anyone who does not believe as we do will burn in Hell". Most religions have similar injunctions designed (probably unconsciously) as antibodies, to protect their own system of belief.
It all makes sense, if you look at religions as natural phenomena- they develop in the ideosphere, partly designed and partly evolved, and successful ones are much like living organisms in many ways. This does not prove that they are bad, or even false, of course. There's a lot of hard-won wisdom in the Bible, and in other religions too. But a bit of perspective is valuable.
Cheers from cloudy Vienna, zilch
Thanks for the language lessons ziltch, it's amazing to know other languages, I barely can handle English as it is.
ReplyDelete"I just hope you're not like that couple in Wisconsin whose eleven year old daughter died of Type 1 diabetes"
No I am not but I do look long and hard to see if mankind is necessary for intervention.
Take Tylenol for example, it takes fevers away better then anything else but we need to look at why is the body throwing yourself into a fever in the first place. The body goes into fever to kill off the virus that is invading the body, so basically you just killed the countermeasure of the body to effectively eliminate the virus making it harder to remove because its allowed to keep growing.
We just have to think twice before we run to medicine to save us. My Mom was on about 20 pills a day because of her lupas and felt miserable daily and she looked and acted like she was dying very soon. One pill would help the infection but would make her heart flutter so another pill addressed the heart flutter but would make her dizzy and so on and so on. She got sick of it and self medicated with 1/2 of one pill a day and felt and looked great for another 12 years, she felt normal again. Then the Doctor insisted she take a pill for her kidneys and she reluctantly did. That one pill broke her out in hives and sores all over her body, she got very sick caught pneumonia and died within days. Who knows how long she would of lasted if she hadn't taken that pill. I am not vaccinating my children and we hardly catch colds, contrary the kids at the day cares and schools that are sick ALL the time. Good tree will bear good fruit.
Now, I am trained myself to save lives (rescue swimmer) so I understand the necessity of modern technology to save lives, but to depend on pharmakos is counter productive. My Father in Law is so addicted to Oxycotton it isn't funny, he lost a leg do to smoking for so many years, that his body feels pain all the time so he will take that painkiller. He acts like a heroin addict. Before that painkiller he never felt that much pain but now he has been taking it for so long he body pretends he's in pain to get more 'medicine'. He is spiraling out of control all due to those drug dealing "Doctors", they call it practice for a reason. Do we need to even discuss the effects of zoloft on children in schools?
It's just like pot, morphine, heroin, or any other medicine, your body builds up tolerances and requires more and more for same effect. I must tell you, I am so happy to have stopped chasing that monkey(pot) all the time. I turn 40 this year and I feel great, my vices are not pulling me down anymore. My children see me as I am naturally, goofy, and they stare into clean hazel eyes and I thanks the Lord for that. Amen.
Dan
ReplyDeleteIs that compelling or is it preaching to my choir? We have simular veiws. And i have to agree with dependency = bad.
and cirtenly hav ea philosphy that favors learning self mastery and self knowledge. So for my my great vice "under judgment" as it where. but God as i understand him is paitient and kind to usward wanting that all ( hum all mind too) come into repentence.
My idea of god, and i am sure their are supporting verses, is he is my teacher and i am takeign as long as i need to learn hwo to let go of addiction's power. I see no harm in occasional meditational spiritual retreats, occasions wiht pot...........i strive to be free of the idea that i NEED it in order to be the best of me.
justinE....
Zilch:
ReplyDeletei thik my last rant was carthritic. i was blabering agaisnt atheists sorta like i saw Da light agian....but then i lsot it and wrote screwed up poetry tht even i could not really follow and i never to a re-write.
well hardly ever.
what was me raw just ranting agianst atheists for being unbelievers.
i think they didnt really look for god hard enough...msot christians arent even looking for god.
that the deconversion process was god workign on getting to you. In a mannor of speaking. see it makes no real sence therefore my rant went in silly tangents.
I have returned....Edited... the "another mildly visious rant" to Febuary. Current events shows my mediocraty was in error and premature judgment.
ReplyDeleteJustine- apologies for having misspelled your name. I'm a pretty good speller usually, but I have a poor memory for names. I'll address your ideas about God in your next post.
ReplyDeleteDan- it is indeed a problem to know how to deal with medicine, and there are no easy answers. As a society, we certainly rely to an unhealthy extent upon drugs to set things right, and the illegal ones are just the tip of the iceberg.
A case in point- there's an epidemic of measles now in Salzburg. It was apparently introduced from Thailand, via a tourist. The reason it spread so quickly is that a Waldorf (anthroposophic, Rudolf Steiner) school in Salzburg held a "measles party", where healthy kids were deliberately exposed to kids with measles, so they would get it too. Like many other religions, the anthroposophical society holds that disease is natural, and the only way to combat it is to go through it.
The trouble is, where do you draw the line? Trying to prevent the common cold with medicine is useless, even though billions are spent on medicine each year. At the opposite extreme are diseases like rabies, which are nearly 100% fatal when untreated. Measles is in between- most people go through it without any complications, but it can be nasty, and the inoculation against is is very effective and harmless. So I would say that in the case of measles, it was irresponsible of the Waldorf school to exacerbate an epidemic.
A clear case (to my mind) in the other direction is the misuse of antibiotics, especially their use on farms to make cattle fatter. This has led to an intense form of artificial selection for bugs that can withstand antibiotics, with the result that there are more and more nasty strains that are next to impossible to eradicate. A Faustian bargain, as they say.
In any case, I'm glad to hear that you are not fanatic about medicine.