I am morbidly pleased that i have won the nomenclature of JPHolding.
I was nominated but did not win......His screwball award for February 2008.
I think it is because i spoke back at him about an argument he was having with Harry McCall at Debunking Christianity.
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2008/02/jp-holdings-logic-case-considered.html
JP Says of me .....
Gold for one of DJ's Idiot Fans, insanezenmistress. who said to a Christian who appealed to scholarship......Setup with Screwball nominated before. withinreason is a Christian (not a screwball():
"""Gold also for one of DJ's Idiot Fans, insanezenmistress, who said to a Christian who appealed to scholarship:
i doubt that your concerned with the atheist "reading" of the word. Clearly you both have access to the same information and the same use of eyes and memories.
What concerns you is our interpretation and use of what we read. maybe God did give out a picture book, the pictures look like words.
Words hide meaning like a picture hides descriptions. We both see plainly, but interpret differently. Feel differently.
So when you say "get an education" you really mean "learn and believe my understanding." ""
http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/feb08scr.html
(((p.s. He gave no response to my words, just smashed me in his general pile of poo. I guess it is some kind of affront to disparage scholarship. And i am a screw ball for thinking there is any intellectual bias as well as the personal bias of the scholar in his learning and presentation of his academics. You studied to counter his arguments and he studied to counter your arguments. You both studied each others arguments to learn how to counter them. therefore same education. you want him to believe your education and he wants you to believe his education, scholarship have nothing to do with the argument really. ( neither does spelling). )))
Now i don't care what award you wanna give me, nor am i impressed or hurt that you of all people would want to give me the insult.
But know this, i am not a fan of John Loftus. I find him a well thought person, working out his issues as we all are. I find some of the members of DC interesting and skilled thinkers discussing their points of view with others.
I do not become a "fan" of another because i am perfectly capable of thinking for myself and can chose to agree or disagree with anyone based on how their thinking and mine are expressed and understood.
If anything i should like a friendship or a sounding board or a testing and proving grounds from any of the writers i enjoy, or study. But i am not a FAN.
Do you, or more aptly stated does JP believe i am a fan simply because i post there, or that i have posted generally in defence of Harry's point of view? Does this make me a fan or a collaborator? Does it mean that i accept uncritically anything postulated on the DC site? By all means, NO.
Am i a screw ball because i poetically logic-ed a good point? That being both acquainted with apologetics they both have access to the same information, only interpret the stuff differently. I have seen with my own eyes many back and forth arguments at DC that i cannot find myself agreeing in favor of much of the apologetic either way.
Shoot i got my own issues with some of Loftus' views.
I bet i am a screwball because i had my own uneducated opinion based on observation and consideration. And what i did conclude does not agree with JP's position of "obvious truth".
In fact i wonder if it should be unto me a honer to be nominated for the screwball award, especially if he puts the likes of Ferrell Till on the wall.
Now, forgive my humanity, i will say i am a Fan of Him. And i also Enjoy Denis McKinsey http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/index.html
And Peter McWilliams http://www.mcwilliams.com/
But that is neither here nor there really. I just don't know how to feel about this near nomination. I supposed that at one point in time i might have been crushed to become aware that someone i admired would consider me a screwball. That someone i might have desired to ask my Christianity questions to. And yes, once upon a time i had dreamed that JP holding could shed some light on my spiritual journey.
But after observing him and studying him and what people think about him, i had in my own way given him my own screwball award.
But i have to admit i sorta enjoyed more percentages of conversations at Debunking Christianity, which included this dude, withinreason.
Whom i was just slowly becoming aware might have have been JP holding. So now...i have a peaked interest into his method and mind and shall pay more attention to the interplay between He and John.
I find it a great source of private drama, as I don't give a rats ass which one of them is right about god, and their scholarship. Maybe now i will get to take him on and hope that some shred of my previous desire would educate me and give a chance to understand some of the things i have been looking into theses past years.
There are not many Christian apologetics that i know or admire, it always seems that when i read any thing of a defence of Christianity nature my bullshit meter goes of, and i cant seem to comprehend the rationalism.
But what i have seen recently is an obtuseness in the face of a better argument. The "christian" will not see or address the specific points of the "atheist" concerning whether or not Paul's writing where most likely the skeletal key to the stuff of the gospels.
I have to agree with the atheist's opinion. Perhaps that is only given to my knowledge of the subject, i could say as it appears to me based on the structure and observation of this argument, it seems clear that the book of Christianity was founded in mythos, and eccentric/gnostic, And the christian dude is defending an assertion desperate to be accepted.
I think that's the very thing they are arguing. Open inquiry and acceptance of things as they are seen, or denial of self and acceptance of the things seen by someone else.
But i also had my ass handed to me because even my views are lofty and not even on the mind of most followers of any faith.
I have to realise that yes, not many are "spiritual" few can understand what i am trying to imply. I wonder if Jesus had this problem.
IT is not that people cant understand...it is something else. It seems like make believe. It is some highest human ideal, not really the reality. My understanding is the two things can live in harmony and not have to argue and debate ,but to each their own, with openness to understand the other view. That is what learning is all about, no matter what your subject. The bible teaches that we have to be teachable, that is part of the holy spirit.
SO JP can "defend " the bible and the Ideology of his christian tower, but if he is a christian he should also not neglect the true stuff of spiritually walking with god. Which is the goal of the New testament whether or not it contradicts, or they have paper shortages...or even fudged a few details.
It is the reason He came, was he the ideal man made flesh or was it the story of the hope that every man can become the Christ on earth. Or to reach our highest potential.
SO what.
you cant defend an assumption, or a view you can only be open to truth and learning. To let go of the old and grasp onto the new.........as it where.
If your religion isn't evolving poetically and more toward the highest goal, then it would not be of truth or truthfully discerned. And i was foolish to believe there was tons and tons of people who gave a damn about reaching god and truth.
Maybe what i have been reading at Ex-christian are not just straw man beatings after all. But the actual and spiritual reality of real common everyday Christians. Though their are teachers out there in the world and on the net who teach a message of dawning of awareness, and manifestation of the sons of god, I see it projected at the ex-tian site, people seeming to see more and more "comers out of Christianity"
Yet i have also seen many debate that it just the syndrome of when you get a new red car you notice more people have new red cars.
And my lofty holy view is not what the majority of christian followers are engaging in.
I mean where are the armies of good humans, sacrificing of themselves and deeply loving their lives, as a gift form god?
Isn't that the IDEAL?
It is the reason he supposedly died, to give you an opportunity to experiences sonship with him.
But there is none of that Christianity in the world. There are a few spots here and there on the Internet.
But what we have mostly is obsessive batterings and belligerent claims and seasoned arguments and shocked discoveries and the drama of screwball awards form people who are not spoken of with respect, and have deplorable manors.
Who once had a very brilliant critique written to him about his christian character and his methods, awarded screwball. Why, was it because he took you down a few notches or put a mirror up? http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/jun07scr.html
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"""I love these guys who say nothing in so many words! Told of their Screwball Award, this one added:
'Yes, that is what I expected from a retard like you. You have a very troubling psyche that anyone with a basic understanding of the human animal can see. Rather than entertaining the possibility or chance that there could be a different interpretation to your beloved dogma you arrogantly dismiss everyone with a different opinion than you.
When you couple this defect with your lack of understanding, lake of sympathy, caring and emotion, it becomes crystal clear that the only motivation that you have comes directly from your inflamed ego. All of this is then compounded with a super infantile nerdiness to play pranks like placing two fried eggs on some one's face or lashing out with an ever so hurtful "You win the screwball award!" Wow, the cutting edge of humour. How many years in the "Witt, repartee and reply" class did you attend? Yes pitiful.
You are a danger to intelligence, which you lack. What gives you the right to criticize others who differ from you, when YOUR fundamental belief is that some fearful dude created the entitle Universe in six days? I am referring to the known Universe that is 15 million light-years wide. Your Christian Cult embraces wizards, magic and the occult.
Actors rising from the dead, walking on water and doing party trick with loaves of bread and a can of Tuna. The reason that the Christian Cult is so popular is that it has been enforced using the tools of rape, threat and murder. That's like telling me you are a member of the Nazi party but have the best interests of Jews at heart.
(post edit: i don't necessarily agree with all this dude says) It is time that you and other extremist nuts are shouted down. Time that your hate filled religion is exposed for the fraudulent bull*** that it is. It is you who are the screwball, not I as I do NOT claim to have all the answers. But remove your precious dogma and you would cave in to a pile of dust.
Look, just because you don't GET IT, does not mean that there isn't a separate reality. You can go through your life being totally ignorant, irrespective of the fact that you are well educated. Facts in a vacuum are redundant and so is information. You base your entire "self" on a myth that you have to hang onto because you are too **** scared to even entertain another reality. It is so blatantly obvious that you identify with the "Christian Authority" that you have developed.
In other words you are the illusion that you have created. You are flattered that people look up to you, that you are a learned scholar of Christianism and the most enjoyable thing is that you can and do ridicule and belittle others. That is 100% EGO driven. Hagee, Falwell and many others are the same. The limelight is the call because your overwhelming desire is to be a clever person. You are probably incapable of love, therefore substituting that lack with being egotistical and demeaning.
You want to "humiliate" me and have a "laugh" at me? Why? Why would anyone who passes himself off as a scholar, a scholar of Christianity, which is supposed to be based on Love, take enjoyment from causing someone else pain?
You are a fraud. A pretender who uses the Christian religion as an excuse to bolster your delicate blotted EGO. In order to keep going you build yourself up at the expense of others. But that's OK, as I said before, if you were a real man instead of a coward you would stand up and create your own reality and fight for what is right not what you have been brainwashed to believe. But you could never understand this.
Have fun.'
Oh, we do. Trust me.""" ~fin~
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Now i am not in cahoots with who ever posted, i just came across it while googling. And i felt he said what i felt. And seeing your reaction i assume you are not very teachable.
But on the other hand i am willing to be corrected and concede to correction.
Damn straight this is passive aggressive, i don't need the fucking drama of a reply from the likes of him. Even if my impression is mis-veiwed.
Jessy.
Anyway.
About that award, groovy. So what, i am a screwball in my own right but please give me my notoriety on my own merits and not stoop to dragging me into your Loftus spat.
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