2012 and the trouble with some atheists.

it pains me to say it but....



you just cant reason with some atheists.


Does that mean they are not following their faith very well?



Hello Readers,

yeah i finially thought of stuff to say. And as Usaul had no one to say them too. But after much deliberation and prayer, i understand that i cannot be atheist because i am not atheist. And i am most confused when i try to not believe the things i experience and touch and taste and feel........

If i where to become atheist i would logically have to commit myself. AM i rejecting truth?

No. And many of you people know that. But the Touble with atheists is that they are not truely deconverted. Not untill they have dumped all their understanding and learned and evaluated all the rest in the world also.

They cannot denounce all religions as christianity does, and believe in one less god than christianity does nor continue to live as an Ex-Christian which is a shadow twin of their former selves.

They have not deconverted from the things they learned in chrisianity about the other religions. For most the only way they can concider what the other faith means is to compare it to their now desparately warped take on the bible.

That is not intellectaul honesty

Not in my book.


I myself could not make a denouncement of the soundness of atheism until AFTER i could clearly see and understand their point of veiw. And neither can they denounce all faith as bullshit unless the have studied with sincere seeking and applied practices to their lives.


A typical Atheist touts his logic and reason with the same wild throws as the christian touts his verses.

He say they are his sheild and buckler.......but dont know how to skill fully use them........they dont even realise, many of them, that they are guilty of the same thing they accuse christians of. YOU CANNOT have a reasonable conversation or debate by repeating ........god is bullshit, god is bullshit , no evidence , no evidence ............


Why do you presume a thing like GOD, which is beyond defineable concepts, is like an asshole, every human has defined god his own way. ....anyhow why do you presumne an evidence could be given to you in mere words...or such an exchange as YOU deal out to the weakly reaoned soul?


You barade them with silly questions like.......if you belive the bible then your saying the world is flat and god approves of slavery.

and you leave only that narrow veiw open for discussion.


Your not willing to take a look at things spiritaul or a person's veiw. Instead IT is all catagorised.


sure much of what people say is bullshit. but much can be understood by entertaining a thought.


you put the same blocks in your mind now to avoid spiritaulism as you did as a chrisitan to avoid the devil. Where is your freedom?

You are just as human as the fundy you dispise. Becasue face it , when you deconverted can you honestly say that you knew anything of how to pursue god? Did you church teach you anyhting spiritual usefull? do you think the church was the only religion that could and if they failed so did all the rest? Did you even go on to try....no you folded. You sucumm to the perseuacive reason that it is all bullshit.

Funny how such a mindset is as afraid to check things out and be sure as your pre-converted minds where when they crawled out of the first blindness.


I see the typical atheist mindset to be in the vrey same redicoulous catagory as they see the typical christian mindset.

A buddhist veiw on faith and life are so different from anything they smugly debunk and takes more than a few years of devotion (um that means great concideration and observation) to begin to get a clue. But MAN what a new world opens up.

A Yogi veiw is oneness with time itself, and Answers and Evidence beyond mental containment, yet you think you can be persueded by picture or a conversation with god himself. Yet you say non falsifibility is a bad thing. (doesnt it seem that to be not falsifiable is somethign that would then have bo somethign that is true but not proovable?)


HA you make a Yogi laugh.......to think SHIVA himself cant figure out the truth of life..


HALARIOUS>

I am sure few Buddhas are digging on that joke too.


unless you have fully known all you can know, you cant say you deconverted form anything, you merely changed company and went on your way grooveing in the moment and stuff.


OK...maybe that was a very broad and unfair statement.....you are right..


I had a particular person in mind when i was thinking that stuff.

threw my whole argument off.


dang nabit.


it is all good anyway....i spoke my peace i think.


Now about......Dec 21 2012.




Well i have been gathering info and gauging public consciousness on it. Not many are interested. Most consider this like all the rest of humanities fantasies of the end of the world as we know it, a hollow nothing.


I want very badly to believe in my personal version of the whoo hoo ness. But The fact that they are right about the past gives my faith pause. This is very much to me like a trial. All the old thinking begins to enter. (just like the bible says man....men will say all things have continued like this since our fore fathers)....(to be atheist you have to denounce any link to buybull references and reasoning)

Iam sure a typical atheist would start chanting bullshit bullshit bullshit about now and take pill to shut up his brain.


I think whether it is pole shift and death of most of humanity, Or cosmic woohooness, i pray we build something new and better and biased on higher ideals. I don't care if the new civilisation is atheist or natural earthy religion. But that they are less greedy and wiser in government.


It might be nice to see it take root and be a part of the future. But i only want to life long if the system can/does change.

erm..change for the good and noble.




bullshit bullshit bullshit.


from a christian-like perspective, these seem like times when the line between good and evil is hard to distinguish. There are very few real seekers. ( oops i am preforming the no true scotts man fallacy again) sheesh......(is that not tantamount to saying nener nener poo poo stick your head in doo doo)

But LOOK............there aren't very many altruistic people. And their are NONE who are in leadership. there is not over whelming honesty and seeking for holiness ect ect. We dont even understand that language anymore.

It is dead


the church is dead folks.


your religion will never recover ........


a new one is taking form as we speak ya know.........denomionaltionalism is out.


the bible said it would. He said he sends a strong delusion. If you wish to believe this is the end time you are waiting for your rapture...then you must also understand that the strong delusion is NOW also..........how convinced are you of your current religion and practice?

Intellectaull honesty, even if it shows you painfull things, has a reason.

Yes there is a state of mind that clearly understands...........or that is what has had a fleeting moment of epiphany ......called.....*there is no god at all* BUT


that is not the end of that realisation


people GIVE UP at that fleeting glance.


they stop thinking any deeper. that is a mistake.

Soon they forget how, and think themselves the better off for it.

who knows, maybe they are better off anyhow.


He who increases knowledge increases sorrow.


My sorrow is that i am realising i cant get anyone to concider themselves wrong or curious enough to have a conversation that might develop into a realisation of god for themselves. ( the single only evidence i could hope to offer)

i cant enlighten anyone.much less the world.........

sucks being both nuts and humble.


I have been concidering giveing up people. Ya know in some weird way....if Christ came to die to save people...........to prevent the judgement of god to make a way for salvation.........then before god could exicute his judgement anyway would be for Christ to give us over to him for punishment.


You christians ought to be pissing in your pants over that.




Does christ betray his friend as he was betrayed? some twisted soul could spin a theological yarn that says it is possible. The bible being so liberal in interpretation.